8 comments on “Appalachian Doortex

  1. Hey Guys great Job with the “APD”. I understand how your lowering with the MPD in this configuration, but how are you converting to a raise, without having a crap loads of resets.

    • We did a crap load of resets! Next time we build this, we are going to have haul systems rigged down the hallways with opposing haul systems to have the two resultant forces on the COD’s cancel each other out.

      Either that or have both lines going downthe hallway in the same direction and tie off the opposing side of the APD.

      Thanks for speaking up!

      • Hey Kelly,
        Wondering if you had tried anything new as far as raising with the APD? We’ve tried a few things that seem to work so far. Tied both legs to strut that spans the opening. This seems to work the best so far. Looking at it from the side if there wasn’t anything to oppose the pull. The opposing pull tie back worked and everyone liked it. Trying to come up with something just in case we couldn’t find a way to tie the opposing side. We’ve also used a paratech 610 strut with is easily adjustable to most elevator and freight doors. Worse case we install an 435 extension which should cover any freight door. Trying to find a Dyna to get some feedback on forces. Still want to do some more testing on the raising before I put it out there. I’ll try to get you some picture, which might make a bit more sense. If you have any other info I would love to see what you have. I love the Vortex and I dont think it gets used enough. Mainly because people aren’t thinking outside the box.
        Thanks Again

        Sandy Lasa
        Boston Fire
        Rescue 1

        • Pictures would be awesome. I’m pretty sure I’m tracking, but a picture would make it 100% in my head.

          One thing that we have recently been messing around with, to really good success, is this: With the MPD still on the head of the AZV after the lower, you can lower a bight of slack rope down to the rescuer, who can run it through a pulley attached to himself.

          It might sound confusing, but you are essentially creating a 3:1 block and tackle attached to the load. The MPD is the progress capture. The benefit of this system is that you are guaranteed not to need a reset. The downside is that you need 3 times the amount of rope. If you have to lower a rescuer 50 feet, you need 150 to accomplish the raise.

          A variation of this that I have been thinking about, but have not tried yet, is to make a standard 3:1 with a Gibbs type rope grab that has a pull cord attached to it so the rescuer can pull the Gibbs down towards him to get a longer reset on the system. Kind of like pulling a block and tackle rigged off of a tripod back down into a confined space hole.

          Thanks for taking the time to post!

    • Also, do you guys run the Petzl I’D. I could see it working in this configuration as long as you’d throw in a few pulleys in the mix.

      • Petzl i’Ds would work too; the MPDs are just so sweet to work with on a haul because they have so much less friction than an i’D. Another easy way to work this if you don’t have an MPD is to hook a block and tackle to the head of the APD. Limited throw and a couple of moving lines over the edge, but it’s easy.

        Also, I work at Rescue 2 in Wash. DC.

        Thanks for looking and commenting!

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